Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)

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From: Edward J. Sabol
Subject: Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Date: 18:21 on 19 Jun 2005
I wrote:
>> Please don't. create() feels like the natural verbage, since it, um, creates
>> an object. 

Tony replied:
> But it doesn't just create an object, it also inserts a row into the
> database. Thinking of it as just creating an object is dangerous as it
> hides what's really happening. This is exactly why I want to rename it.

It's just not very OO though. Class::DBI is first and foremost about objects,
not databases, and create() is obviously how you create an object. There's
nothing at all obvious about insert() being the method for instantiating an
object.

insert() would be a valid method name if you had an object that *wasn't*
already stored in the database. That would require some method to instantiate
an object without storing in the database though, like so:

my $film = Film->new(...);
$film->insert();

Film->create() is then a shortcut for Film->new(...)->insert(), and I would
argue that it should be retained as such.

FWIW, I don't see a whole lot of misunderstanding or confusion by people on
the mailing list who can't seem to figure out what create() does.

> Then create() give a deprecation warning for another year, but still
> work.

Whether everyone's code would have to be changed now or a year or two from
now doesn't diminish the amount of work that would be required to make that
change.

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Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 12:57 on 18 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Will Hawes 14:56 on 18 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 15:15 on 18 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Will Hawes 15:50 on 18 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 18:56 on 18 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Matt S Trout 16:39 on 18 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Andy Grundman 16:41 on 18 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 18:58 on 18 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Peter Speltz 19:34 on 21 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tim Bunce 23:17 on 21 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Peter Speltz 19:28 on 22 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tim Bunce 09:24 on 23 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tim Bunce 11:44 on 23 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 13:06 on 23 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Michael Peters 13:49 on 23 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Peter Speltz 15:24 on 23 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Peter Speltz 17:48 on 18 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 18:59 on 18 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Peter Speltz 20:48 on 18 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Perrin Harkins 18:05 on 18 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 19:04 on 18 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Perrin Harkins 19:12 on 18 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Perrin Harkins 02:15 on 19 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 08:07 on 19 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Michael G Schwern 20:33 on 18 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 22:43 on 18 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 23:14 on 18 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Rhesa Rozendaal 00:06 on 19 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 08:49 on 19 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Michael G Schwern 03:22 on 19 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 08:46 on 19 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Edward J. Sabol 04:49 on 19 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 08:49 on 19 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
William Ross 03:55 on 19 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
William Ross 19:22 on 21 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Brad Bowman 09:23 on 19 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Perrin Harkins 13:48 on 19 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Peter Speltz 14:31 on 19 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 15:25 on 19 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Edward J. Sabol 18:21 on 19 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 18:38 on 19 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Perrin Harkins 03:52 on 20 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Michael G Schwern 04:16 on 20 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Edward J. Sabol 04:21 on 20 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Perrin Harkins 04:50 on 20 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Edward J. Sabol 04:59 on 20 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 08:26 on 20 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Edward J. Sabol 16:35 on 20 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 16:50 on 20 Jun 2005

Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Hartmaier Alexander 10:08 on 20 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 10:47 on 20 Jun 2005

->create or ->insert (was: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost))
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ask_Bj=F8rn_Hansen?= 20:14 on 20 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Perrin Harkins 15:03 on 20 Jun 2005

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Charles Bailey 15:18 on 20 Jun 2005

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Tony Bowden 15:30 on 20 Jun 2005

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Charles Bailey 17:28 on 20 Jun 2005

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Perrin Harkins 18:17 on 20 Jun 2005

Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Hartmaier Alexander 11:40 on 20 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 12:45 on 20 Jun 2005

Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Hartmaier Alexander 13:33 on 20 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 13:39 on 20 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Michael Peters 13:34 on 20 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
William Ross 14:04 on 20 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Perrin Harkins 14:27 on 20 Jun 2005

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Perrin Harkins 14:42 on 20 Jun 2005

Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Hartmaier Alexander 14:03 on 20 Jun 2005

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Cees Hek 14:13 on 20 Jun 2005

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Tony Bowden 14:15 on 20 Jun 2005

Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Hartmaier Alexander 14:55 on 20 Jun 2005

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merlyn (Randal L. Schwartz) 15:42 on 20 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 15:56 on 20 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Edward J. Sabol 17:11 on 20 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 17:38 on 20 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Matt S Trout 18:00 on 20 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Edward J. Sabol 18:16 on 20 Jun 2005

Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Hartmaier Alexander 17:40 on 20 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 08:11 on 24 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tim Bunce 10:03 on 24 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 10:23 on 24 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tim Bunce 00:08 on 25 Jun 2005

Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Hartmaier Alexander 17:45 on 20 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Andy Grundman 23:49 on 21 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Hartmaier Alexander 13:26 on 23 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 14:09 on 23 Jun 2005

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Hartmaier Alexander 14:27 on 23 Jun 2005

RE: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Andrew O'Brien 23:12 on 23 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 07:43 on 24 Jun 2005

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RE: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Andrew O'Brien 07:53 on 24 Jun 2005

Re: Class::DBI 1.00 (almost)
Tony Bowden 08:00 on 24 Jun 2005

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