Re: SER1 Land Rover family tree update

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Diana,

to keep the discussion correct: Spyker was a Dutch Company

Aad Koene

LR S2a 109" Stawag 2,5 Tdi RHD Safari "Tinkerbell"

LR S1 86" Pick-Up LHD "Prik-Up"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eighty Inch" <eightyinch@xxx.xxx.xx>
To: <series1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: SER1 Land Rover family tree update


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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <lemurstew@xxx.xxx>
> To: <series1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 5:08 PM
> Subject: Re: SER1 Land Rover family tree update
> 
> 
> How about you try that search engine?  Chevrolet, Ford, and dodge were 
> all offering pickups before 1920.  I think you have an overdeveloped 
> sense of national pride.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eighty Inch <eightyinch@xxx.xxx.xx>
> To: series1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
> Sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:10:59 +1100
> Subject: Re: SER1 Land Rover family tree update
> 
>   Ike
> 
> And who said we wouldn't have a debate.
> 
> The question still stands if not Ford Australia in 1934, which motor 
> vehicle
> manufacturer had the first PRODUCTION Ute or Pickup and when?  Not 
> included
> are those box like bodies built by after-market motor body builders and
> those built by individuals onto their own vehicle.  If Ford Australia 
> were
> actually the first to have a PRODUCTION model of this type and their 
> name
> for it was Utility then it is a Ute!
> 
> If we want to discuss four wheel drive then we would have to go back 10
> years earlier than 1912 to the French car manufacturer Spyker and an all
> wheel drive vehicle designed by engineers E.G. Drouard and Joseph 
> Laviolette
> constructed in 1902 and displayed at the Paris Autosalon in 1903 if we 
> want
> to discuss four wheel drive trucks rather than cars like the 1902 
> Stryker a
> Sydney company  Caldwell Vale Motor Traction and Construction Company
> commenced production of a four wheel drive truck in 1910 which was 
> based on
> the Caldwell Brothers 1907 patent for both four wheel drive and 
> steering.
> 
> So if we Aussies designed the first production four wheel drive trucks 
> and
> the first production pickups then we can call our truck cab Land Rovers 
> Utes
> and be correct.
> 
> Cheerio  :-)))))
> Diana
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <lemurstew@xxx.xxx>
> To: <series1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 2:03 PM
> Subject: Re: SER1 Land Rover family tree update
> 
> 
> Diana,
>     Do a google image search for model T pickup.   These werent the
> first either pickup style trucks have been in use since before the turn
> of the century.  By 1934, pickup style vehicles had been in production
> for nearly 40 years and the four wheel drive truck had been around for
> 22 years!  You can call them whatever you want.  Its still a pickup.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eighty Inch <eightyinch@xxx.xxx.xx>
> To: series1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
> Sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:21:35 +1100
> Subject: Re: SER1 Land Rover family tree update
> 
>   Wayne
> 
> I couldn't see where Ford produced the pickup in those links on the 1914
> model T, there was the Touring, Town Car and Runabout with the later
> addition of a bare chassis but I couldn't find the Ford produced pickup
> model.  In fact I did read that prior to the bare chassis model a non
> Ford
> body would void the warranty and that the guy was restoring his Model T
> in
> the tradition of the after-market modification.
> 
> So I will maintain my position that the 1934 Australian Ford Coupe
> Utility
> was the World's first "production pickup" or "Ute".
> 
> So just to be clear about it - youse guys can have your "pickups" but we
> will keep our "utes" - or in the case of the Camino have pickups based
> on
> the good ol' Aussie Ute.  In fact I did hear that GM was considering
> marketing the current Aussie Holden Ute under one of it's brand names
> just
> like it recently did with the recent Holden Monaro sold as the Buick
> GTO in
> the US.
> 
> Cheers
> Diana
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wayne Perrin" <wperrin@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: <series1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:56 AM
> Subject: Re: SER1 Land Rover family tree update
> 
> 
> Dear Diana and All,
> 
> Although far from being a Rover,  Model T "pickups" were sold and
> manufactured all over the world, including Canada and the UK, so we
> might push the age of the "Ute" even further back.  It is certainly
> arguable as to where the body work was really done, but the same
> style turns up in links to Canada, South Africa, and the States.  No
> controversy intended, I just love old trucks and mine happens to be
> an 80" Rover
> Wayne
> 
> http://www.dyna.co.za/cars/Ford_19_T_Pickup.jpg
> http://www.hubcapcafe.com/ocs/pages01/f1001501.htm
> http://www.modelt.ca/1914Tpickup-fs.html
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eighty Inch <eightyinch@xxx.xxx.xx>
> > To: series1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
> > Sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:36:20 +1100
> > Subject: Re: SER1 Land Rover family tree update
> >
> > Cheers  :-)))
> > Diana
> >
> > P.S. Real men drive a ute!
> 
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