RE: SER1 Work Shop Manual Downloads

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I agree totally with what your sentiments show - there is a BIG difference
between making a quick profit in this way and being able to have lists in
the garage and it doesnt matter if they get grubby!!!
Kind regards
Matt Gibbs

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From: series1-host@xxxxxxxxx.xxx [mailto:series1-host@xxxxxxxxx.xxx]On
Behalf Of Jon Hutchings
Sent: 28 September 2005 13:15
To: series1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: SER1 Work Shop Manual Downloads


I personally agree with this,  I not only have downloads which I can
print out and get grubby and oily in the garage, I have the reprint (by
Brooklands books for Land Rover) 1948-53 parts catalogue etc.

I have in recent years also bought (surprisingly cheaply from ebay)
original 1950's parts, workshop, sales and operations manuals which I
keep clean and use in the house for reference.

I think there is a big difference between a group of enthusiasts like
this using and sharing resources to people sticking them all on a CD
and selling it on ebay.


Jon

1950 80" 1953 80" 1984 S3 109" FFR

PS Stewart - saw some great daily driver Series 1's still at work  (107
with a home brew flatbed pickup in use by a local boatman )  in Stewart
Island NZ, if you are ever down off south of the South Island :-)




On 28 Sep 2005, at 03:19, Stewart wrote:

> Diana where on the SOG can I find the Rover Service Bulletins? Just to
> throw
> in my tuppenceworth on copyright I have downloaded every series 1
> document
> that I can from the Internet. I have pdf's of the partslist's and the
> republished workshop manual which are very good quality and very
> useable but
> I still bought the real books anyway. To me it's a bit like the music
> thing.
> In my opinion mp3's are crap so I download to see if I like the music
> and if
> I do I buy the real thing. The pdf's are handy to have but probably
> very few
> of us would print out and bind them into a garage reference. Let choice
> prevail.
> Great List by the way
> Stewart
> Auckland NZ
> 03 110
> 52 80
>
> On 28/9/05 12:32 PM, "Eighty Inch" <eightyinch@xxx.xxx.xx> wrote:
>
>> Matt and Jeremy
>>
>> I don't agree with you about the Copyright issue.  Copyrights can be
>> transferred and are bought and sold, you only have to look to music
>> and
>> movies to see the consequences.  For an outstanding example, Wacko
>> Jacko
>> owns the copyrights to much of the Beatles music.  More than that
>> Copyright
>> is for a duration of longer than 50 years and is renewed by subsequent
>> publication.   (See: Term of Copyright.  Generally, the U.S.
>> copyright term
>> for works published before January 1, 1978, lasts for 95 years from
>> the year
>> of first publication. Although sound recordings fixed before 1972
>> were not
>> then protected by federal copyright, those sound recordings will
>> receive the
>> remainder of the term they would have received had they been
>> protected by
>> such copyright when published. For example, a sound recording
>> published in
>> 1925 will be protected until 2020. For works published on or after
>> January1,
>> 1978, the term of copyright is the life of the author plus 70 years.
>> http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ38b.pdf)
>>
>> However Copyright aside, for books that are currently available in
>> print, if
>> internet and eBay scammers keep publishing illegal scans of the books
>> (with
>> various quality of reproduction) it will no longer be economically
>> viable
>> for a publisher to keep the book in print so they will stop.  The
>> result is
>> that those of us who wish to own a copy of the published book will no
>> longer
>> be able to buy them.
>>
>> I acknowledge that I scanned a whole year of Rover Service Bulletins
>> that
>> apply to Land Rover and that they still fall within the 95 year rule.
>> However those documents are not currently available in printed form
>> and
>> there is no intention for them to be printed so the only way for us
>> to have
>> access is for people like me to scan them and have them uploaded to
>> the SOG.
>>
>> Regards
>> Diana
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jeremy Brooks" <jh_brooks@xxxxxxx.xxx>
>> To: <series1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 3:28 AM
>> Subject: RE: SER1 Work Shop Manual Downloads
>>
>>
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>> likely Brooklands has no comment 'cause they can't copyright
>> something that
>> is not their own to begin with!
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>>> From: "Matt Gibbs" <mr.dublo@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
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>>> Subject: RE: SER1 Work Shop Manual Downloads
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>>> Hello folks;
>>> Do I recall some discussion about the copyright on these and what
>>> was the
>>> "good" thing to do..? Just wondering because I know that a whole
>>> selection
>>> were reprinted by Brooklands Books or someone similar in the UK, the
>>> 48 to
>>> 53 parts book and the workshop manuals. However, I contacted them
>>> yesterday
>>> by email to ask:-
>>>  """Dear Sir;
>>>> Can you advise me which factory printing your parts book reprint is
>>> taken
>>>> from..? I have been asked to ascertain for a web site where the
>>> copyright
>>>> lies on the 1948 parts book since it is now over 50 years old and
>>>> as I
>>> am
>>>> already doing some research into the Series Ones and I have a copy
>>>> of
>>> your
>>>> workshop manual I thought I would ask yourselves as obviously
>>>> extremly
>>>> knowlegable on this subject!
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>> Matt Gibbs""" and the response I got was:
>>> "">Matt
>>>
>>> Sorry, but we are unable to help you with the copyright question.""
>>> I'd have thought they would have known since they re-printed
>>> them!!?? Ah
>>> well.
>>> Kind regards
>>> Matt Gibbs
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: series1-host@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
>>> [mailto:series1-host@xxxxxxxxx.xxx]On
>>> Behalf Of Matthew J. Clark
>>> Sent: 27 September 2005 00:42
>>> To: series1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
>>> Subject: SER1 Work Shop Manual Downloads
>>>
>>>
>>> Good Afternoon everyone! (gotta be afternoon somewhere on the list)-
>>>
>>> I just was looking for work shop manuals for my 110 and found this
>>> site:
>>>
>>> http://www.landrover.ee/est/varia/downloads/cars.htm
>>>
>>> The ever popular Series One manuals seem to be here.  I downloaded
>>> the gear
>>> box section as a test and it seemed to work.  It all seems to be
>>> there.
>>> Might be a good handy resource when you are at the office surfing
>>> the list
>>> instead of working and you want to be the first person with an
>>> answer to a
>>> list question.  Download it to your work machine or have it handy
>>> when you
>>> are traversing the outback...you know, with that added accessory in
>>> the
>>> Series One: the laptop.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> matt
>>> ______________________________
>>> Matthew J. Clark
>>> Seattle, Washington
>>> 206.932.4610
>>> 107 Station Wagon
>>> SWB Classic Range Rover
>>> TDI 110 Station Wagon
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
> Stewart Fraser
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>
>
>
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>
>
Jon Hutchings
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