Re: Slashdot | Help Test mod_perl 2 Release Candidates

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From: Stas Bekman
Subject: Re: Slashdot | Help Test mod_perl 2 Release Candidates
Date: 05:05 on 28 Dec 2004
Joe Schaefer wrote:
> Stas Bekman <stas@xxxxxx.xxx> writes:
> 
> 
>>Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>
>>> My only gripe with the mp2
>>>release candidates is that I would have liked to see a few production
>>>mp2 releases on CPAN before its mp1 indexing starts to disappear.
>>
>>Sure, you can ask Andreas to not index mp2 and any other 3rd party
>>modules. But why making mp2 users suffer?
>>
>>I still can't understand the definition of 'a few production
>>releases'. How will you know when it's OK to switch the direction of
>>the blade and make the mp1 users suffer? 
> 
> 
> When the conversation changes from "Why did you guys do that?" to
> "When will you guys do that?".  By putting one or two official mp2 
> releases "out there" that don't have the mp1 reindexing snafu, 
> we're saying "mp2 is ready to rock now, but you may still have 
> to dig a little bit to find it on CPAN.  However, that'll be
> changing in the next release or so."
> 
> It may be a bit easier to get our volunteer "broadcast network" to 
> lament mp1's eventual passing, yet still deliver the message above
> faithfully.  I'm not sure that will happen with the current release
> plan, and that's not a great way to kick off mp2's coming-out party.

I'm not against from hiding mp2 from index. I just don't understand how 
does it make the mp2.0 release any better?

   "Hey, modperl 2.0 is available, but you can't get it from CPAN
    using the familiar tools.

>>Will you then go and notify the mp2 users: "we favor you now, please
>>come back and use the CPAN tools" and notify the mp1 users: "excuse
>>us, but mp1 was phased out, and we no longer support it via CPAN, so
>>please find and download modules manually from now on"
> 
> 
> Nope, not at all.  It's about giving the entire community
> a chance to embrace the production version of mp2, and also to
> disseminate its implications for mp1 far and wide.  Nobody's
> kicking mp1 out the door, but without some grace period to 
> digest the changes, I'm worried many people may react that way.

And hide the real problem with CPAN again. People will react either way, 
since this suggestion doesn't remove the problem, it just re-throws it in 
a difference direction.

>>Originally the _RC1 vs -RC1 was a slip, but I'm glad that it has
>>happened earlier and not when 2.0.0 was released, since it has raised
>>the problems earlier. And since we have mp2.0.0 scheduled for the
>>beginning of January, that RC1 slip doesn't make much difference
>>time-wise. 
> 
> 
> +1, it's good to discuss everything now, rather than after the release.

Yeah, and this allowed us to find several issues with the indexer (e.g. 
PAUSE chokes if it finds more than one META.yml file in the same distro).
which were solved in the current svn (it took 2 releases to discover them 
all).

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Re: Slashdot | Help Test mod_perl 2 Release Candidates
merlyn (Randal L. Schwartz) 20:34 on 26 Dec 2004

Re: Slashdot | Help Test mod_perl 2 Release Candidates
merlyn (Randal L. Schwartz) 15:09 on 27 Dec 2004

Re: Slashdot | Help Test mod_perl 2 Release Candidates
Stas Bekman 05:05 on 28 Dec 2004

About putting the blame on other shoulders
Andreas J Koenig 14:28 on 28 Dec 2004

Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders
Stas Bekman 15:01 on 28 Dec 2004

Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders
Stas Bekman 15:54 on 28 Dec 2004

Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders
Andreas J Koenig 16:11 on 28 Dec 2004

Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders
Issac Goldstand 16:11 on 28 Dec 2004

Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders
Stas Bekman 16:27 on 28 Dec 2004

Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders
merlyn (Randal L. Schwartz) 16:43 on 28 Dec 2004

Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders
Issac Goldstand 16:58 on 28 Dec 2004

Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders
merlyn (Randal L. Schwartz) 17:09 on 28 Dec 2004

Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders
Issac Goldstand 17:30 on 28 Dec 2004

Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders
David Nicol 07:01 on 30 Dec 2004

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