Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders

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From: Issac Goldstand
Subject: Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders
Date: 16:58 on 28 Dec 2004
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randal L. Schwartz" <merlyn@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Stas Bekman" <stas@xxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: <advocacy@xxxx.xxxxxx.xxx>; "Andreas J Koenig" 
<andreas.koenig.gmwojprw@xxxxx.xx.xxxx.xx>; "mod_perl Mailing List" 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders


>>>>>> "Stas" == Stas Bekman <stas@xxxxxx.xxx> writes:
>
> Stas> Unfortunately thanks to Randal, people are now totally confused.
>
> No, I think thanks to me, people are now aware of a problem of
> fundamental incompatibility between the "single @INC" historical
> legacy of the entire Perl world and toolchain, and your "use Apache2"
> workaround.  There's awareness, not confusion.  I think *you* are
> trying to confuse the issue by saying there's not a single thing wrong
> with your proposed release of MP2.  Yes, there wouldn't be, if the
> entire rest of the world was compatible with it, which it isn't.
>
> Here are some possible scenarios:
>
> 1) you don't budge, CPAN doesn't change, and people around the world
> get confused with your release, because it's asking them to "upgrade"
> their mp1 by installing mp2, which *cannot* be done.

Which is exactly the point that I was trying to make: This *should* be 
doable.  The fact that it's *not* means that Perl is a monolithic library 
and can't have 2 sets of "extensions" in the same site installation.  Which 
means that libperl.so is something which shouldn't exist, since it implies 
some "sharedness" - but what it's really providing is a shared library 
interface with static extensions.  By linking against libperl.so (or 
whatever), you're essentially dooming your applications to being stuck with 
whatever CPAN throws its way.

  Issac 


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About putting the blame on other shoulders
Andreas J Koenig 14:28 on 28 Dec 2004

Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders
Stas Bekman 15:01 on 28 Dec 2004

Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders
Stas Bekman 15:54 on 28 Dec 2004

Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders
Andreas J Koenig 16:11 on 28 Dec 2004

Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders
Issac Goldstand 16:11 on 28 Dec 2004

Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders
Stas Bekman 16:27 on 28 Dec 2004

Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders
merlyn (Randal L. Schwartz) 16:43 on 28 Dec 2004

Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders
Issac Goldstand 16:58 on 28 Dec 2004

Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders
merlyn (Randal L. Schwartz) 17:09 on 28 Dec 2004

Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders
Issac Goldstand 17:30 on 28 Dec 2004

Re: About putting the blame on other shoulders
David Nicol 07:01 on 30 Dec 2004

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