Re: SER1 Lucas Semaphore switch

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It applies where they are fitted, even on older vehicles....but of course
you don't have to fit them.

Jon's quotes says..."Semaphore indicators must show an amber light to front
and rear and
must be fitted with an audible or visual tell tale. It may flash but is
not required to do so."

To confuse things further, this last statement is not true, if fitted to a
vehicle first used before 1st September 1965. You may then use white light
(ie flashing side light) indicators at the front and red (ie brake lights)
at the rear, or white front, amber rear. This is why Land Rover brought out
the optional flasher switch for all, as fitted to export models or SW,
detailed in the handbook. This is why many restorations do away with the
later extra holes in the wings and awful amber flashers which need never
have been fitted.

Cheers
Martin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "GRAHAM WOOD" <threemoles@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <series1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: SER1 Lucas Semaphore switch


> From the UK MOT Testers manual:-
>
> "Note: A 'tell-tale' may be audible or visual, it is not required if one
or
> more direction indicators on each side can be seen by the driver from the
> driver's seat."
>
> I guess that covers the trafficators, although it appears that this only
> applies to vehicles only used on or after 1st April 1986 anyway.
>
> The testers manual and a wealth of other useful information is at:
> http://www.motuk.co.uk/
>
> Graham W
>
>
>
> > In fact you are both right - sorry!
> >
> >
> >  From http://www.bobmckay.co.uk/dirhazlights.html
> >
> > "A tell-tale warning must be fitted and this can be an audible or
> > visual device. If one or more direction indicators on each side can be
> > seen from the drivers seat, a tell-tale is not needed.
> >
> >   Semaphore indicators must show an amber light to front and rear and
> > must be fitted with an audible or visual tell tale. It may flash but is
> > not required to do so."
> >
> >
> >
> > So Martin is correct you could rely on the flasher unit making a
> > ticking noise, and as Tom says, the fact that you can see the
> > trafficators lets you off too.
> >
> > Apologies for any confusion caused Diana.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12 Nov 2004, at 10:50, Tom Wykes wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Surely a large flashing trafficator in the corner of you eye is visual
> > > indication enough?? ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > > At 10:41 12/11/2004, you wrote:
> > >> The indicators are allowed to have either (or both) a visual or noise
> > >> indication that they function correctly. The fact that you couldn't
> > >> hear the
> > >> noise in a Land Rover doesn't matter. The tester will hear the
> > >> clicking or
> > >> "tick tock"of the flasher unit as it's working inside the garage!
> > >> cheers
> > >> Martin
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Diana Alan" <dianaa@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx>
> > >> To: <series1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> > >> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 10:11 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: SER1 Lucas Semaphore switch
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Jon
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks - Now I'm in big trouble - I can't use the semaphore switch
> > >> because
> > >> > it's too modern and isn't original - now when I want to register it
> > >> in the
> > >> > U.K. the MoT will refuse it - Damn - Bugg.... (I can't use that
word
> > >> because
> > >> > it's used in a Toyota HiLux commercial in Oz!)
> > >> >
> > >> > I guess my 80" will have to stay in Oz for the moment.
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards
> > >> >
> > >> > Diana
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: "Jon Hutchings"
> > >> <jon.hutchings@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxxx.xx.xx>
> > >> > To: <series1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> > >> > Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 8:51 PM
> > >> > Subject: Re: SER1 Lucas Semaphore switch
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > The 80" model should have a switch that has no internal light. The
> > >> > internal light is a feature of later switches. .....
> > >> >
> > >> > .... Though it should be noted that you are supposed to have a
> > >> visual
> > >> > indication of the indicators working for the MOT in the UK.
> > >> > Jon
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
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> > >>
> > >>
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> > >
> > > Regards.
> > >
> > > Tom Wykes.
> > >
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