Re: SER1 Hazzard switch problem

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From: Diana Alan
Subject: Re: SER1 Hazzard switch problem
Date: 23:46 on 12 Mar 2005
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G'Tag Uli

The problem is that you are feeding +ve power back to the "Ign" switch =
via the hazard switch.  Why you are doing this is anyone's guess.

The hazard warning switch is usually only on "Batt" and not on "Ign".

Are you sure that wire you are using from the "Ign" switch is for +ve =
power or should it be the cut out for the regular flasher unit?

It would be usual to cut power to the flasher when the Hazards are =
operating!

I would need to see the wiring diagram for your hazard switch to tell =
you more.

Cheers
Diana=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Brett Pritt=20
To: series1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx=20
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:05 AM
Subject: SER1 Hazzard switch problem


Hi folks, try to explain it in english.

Fact is, for registration in Germany, even as a historic vehicle, I must =
have hazzard lights.

S1, 1955, 86", regular harness installation like in Workshop Manual page =
250. Only thing, I changed from positive to negative earth incl. turning =
the ignition coil, polarize the dynamo, change the ampsterminals etc. =
and everything works fine incl. the flashers/heater and every single =
switch or light. Today the hazzard switch and new relay arrived and I =
built in the stuff.

So I changed the old mechanical flasher relais into the electronical one =
and I install the hazzard switch. Hazzard switch has two positions for =
working.=20

First with engine running, then he gets the power from the terminal 15(+ =
15,15x,H,X,B,15a) supply power12volts from the  ignition switch( I =
connected the wire at the double terminal ING on the backside of the =
ignition switch.)

Second is with engine/ignition off. Then the hazzard switch gets the =
power directly from the battery ( I connect the wire at the ampsmeter, =
where directly the 12V come from the battery via starterbutton entry =
side)

Hazzard switch works well with running engine and engine off/ignition =
key turned off. But in the off engine position with hazzard switch on =
flashers work but also the green(oilpressure) and red (ignition) warning =
lights burns(constant, not flashing)

This is not okay, because: When ignition is off and hazzardswitch gets =
the power directly from the battery - how is it possible, that these two =
warning lights are burning ? (maybe it is theoretical possible to start =
the engine in this position - no, I didn=B4t try - when the whole =
starting power goes through the flasher relay etc, the thing will melt =
and burn)

I controlled the whole complex ( flasherconnections to flasher switch to =
hazzard switch to flasher relay) three or four times. I made no mistake =
in connecting the three parts among themselves). The mistake must be =
somewhere else....

Any ideas?

Cheers

Uli=20





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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>G'Tag Uli</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The problem is that you are feeding +ve =
power back=20
to the "Ign" switch via the hazard switch.&nbsp; Why you are doing this =
is=20
anyone's guess.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The hazard warning switch is usually=20
<STRONG><U>only </U></STRONG>on "Batt" and not on "Ign".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are you sure that wire you are using =
from the "Ign"=20
switch is for +ve power or should it be the cut out for the&nbsp;regular =
flasher=20
unit?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It would be usual to cut power to the =
flasher when=20
the Hazards are operating!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I would need to see the wiring diagram =
for your=20
hazard&nbsp;switch to tell you more.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Diana</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:05 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> SER1 Hazzard switch problem</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DRTE>
<P>Hi folks, try to explain it in english.</P>
<P>Fact is, for registration in Germany, even as a historic vehicle, I =
must have=20
hazzard lights.</P>
<P>S1, 1955, 86", regular harness installation like in Workshop Manual =
page 250.=20
Only thing, I changed from positive to negative earth incl. turning the =
ignition=20
coil, polarize the dynamo, change the ampsterminals etc. and everything =
works=20
fine incl. the flashers/heater and every single switch or =
light.&nbsp;Today the=20
hazzard switch and new relay arrived and I built in the stuff.</P>
<P>So I changed the old mechanical flasher relais into&nbsp;the =
electronical one=20
and I install&nbsp;the hazzard switch. Hazzard switch has two =
positions&nbsp;for=20
working. </P>
<P>First with&nbsp;engine running, then he gets the power from the =
terminal 15(+=20
15,15x,H,X,B,15a)&nbsp;supply power12volts from the&nbsp; ignition =
switch( I=20
connected the wire at the double terminal ING&nbsp;on the backside of =
the=20
ignition switch.)</P>
<P>Second is with engine/ignition off. Then the hazzard switch gets the =
power=20
directly from the battery ( I connect the wire at the ampsmeter, where =
directly=20
the 12V come from the battery via starterbutton entry side)</P>
<P>Hazzard switch works well with running engine and engine off/ignition =
key=20
turned off. But in the off engine&nbsp;position with hazzard switch on =
flashers=20
work but also the green(oilpressure) and red (ignition) warning lights=20
burns(constant, not flashing)</P>
<P>This&nbsp;is not&nbsp;okay, because: When ignition is off and =
hazzardswitch=20
gets the power directly from the battery - how is it possible, that =
these two=20
warning lights are burning ? (maybe it is theoretical possible to start =
the=20
engine in this position - no, I didn=B4t try -&nbsp;when the whole =
starting power=20
goes through the flasher relay etc, the thing will melt and burn)</P>
<P>I controlled the whole complex (&nbsp;flasherconnections to flasher =
switch to=20
hazzard switch to flasher relay) three or four times. I made no mistake =
in=20
connecting the three parts among themselves). The mistake must be =
somewhere=20
else....</P>
<P>Any ideas?</P>
<P>Cheers</P>
<P>Uli <BR><BR></P></DIV>
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