Re: SER1 86" rear lights

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Tony

Pressed Metal was on Milpera Road near Bankstown Aerodrome so if it has one
of the pressed metal badges it was built in Sydney.  My only answer without
asking Arthur Garthon Et. Al. would be that vehicles were ordered from the
UK and dispatched to Faulls from PMC.  The CKD books would have the VIN only
because they issued the VIN and chassis numbers which were then stamped by
PMC in Australia.  The assembly records of what engine went with what VIN
would have remained at PMC.  Pity that no one salvaged the records when they
liquidated PMC a few years back, or maybe someone did.

Cheers
Diana  :-))
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Gammage" <tgammage@xxxxxxxx.xxx.xx>
To: <series1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: SER1 86" rear lights


Diana
My 57 109 is one of these CKD cars and sports a Pressed Metal
Corporation tag on the fire wall    109 380.
I sent to the UK for one of those Factory records supplying the chassis
number .
It came back CKD and the date was Jan 57 , no engine number recorded ,
destination Faulls, the local agent in Perth.So now was the car
assembled in the eastern states and shipped here or sent here direct ?
I suppose what I mean is how would the factory know where the car was
going if it came as a set of parts in a shipment?

Cheers Tony


>>> eightyinch@xxx.xxx.xx 09/24/05 9:04 PM >>>
Wayne

While I want to move on from this topic, I suspect it is even worse for
CKD
assembled vehicles.  Often the boxes would arrive at the final assembler
in
batches of 30 + vehicles at a time.  It is also probable subsequent
shipping's would arrive before current vehicles were assembled.  With
this
situation it is likely that the mechanics would occasionally open the
particular component boxes out of sequence particularly if the first
crate
was placed against a wall and subsequent deliveries in front of it.
Remember there may 6 of the same major component, chassis, engine,
bodies
etc. in each shipping crate.

The variation in quality was such a dogs breakfast across Australia,
that
Rover had to move all it's Australian Land Rover assembly to the bus
builder, Pressed Metal Corporation in Sydney before the end of Series 1
production.

Regards
Diana
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wayne Perrin" <wperrin@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <series1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: SER1 86" rear lights


Diana is right on about these production variations. There are plenty
of minor variations that took place depending on the year and even
based on the intended market for export.  I had great difficulty
replacing my distributor cap because it's the early high hat design
which wasn't "supposed to be used" on '53 trucks and parts numbers
didn't match the listings.  We do ourselves a disservice if we
agonize over this as the factory was never the least bit concerned
over what they hung on the engines or  wired into the lighting.  This
is all a recent phenomenon that has grown up around the classic car
industry that makes much of selling the "correct decals" , "correct
this and correct that"    These are glorified farm tractors at the
most utilitarian level.  We put a lot of effort into resuscitating
them and enjoying their quirks but they are never going to appear at
Pebble Beach and never going to be featured at a Barret's megabuck
auction.

Happy Rovering
Wayne Perrin
On Sep 20, 2005, at 9:59 PM, Eighty Inch wrote:

> Allan
>
> I don't want to publicly flog James Taylor, but would like to flog
> Bay View
> Books for the restoration manual going out of print.  After trying
> for a
> year with numerous false buys, including money changing hands, it
> is only in
> the last week that I have been offered one.  I just wanted to point
> out that
> it was James and not Tom Taylor and that James is not, as are none
> of us,
> the "infallible one".
>
> While I like S1's to be original we all understand that some of the
> original
> parts are out of our budgets so some personalising of the vehicles
> must be
> acceptable.  Just like every new owner personalised the vehicle
> from the day
> it left the dealership.  Even ones that came off the assembly line had
> individual differences, some as part of orders others for design
> reasons.
> It is also why some vehicles are restored to manufacturers specs
> and others
> restored to functional "as is" specs.  I know you understand that,
> having at
> least one in each category.
>
> Cheers
> Diana
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Allan Harding" <Allan.Harding@xxx.xxx.xx>
> To: <series1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 9:14 AM
> Subject: Re: SER1 86" rear lights
>
>
>     Keep going guys,
>     Hot rod all the Series Is you can get your hands on. Go for broke,
> Keith Black engines, Rangie transmissions coil springs disk brakes
> etc.
> Just don't come to me to get approval for historic registration.  In
> time those of us with vehicles which are as near as practically
> original
> or are set up with true period equipment will be smiling.
>     Regarding the comments on James Taylor, while there are
> acknowledged
> errors in the text of his book, it is the most definitive book
> published
> on the topic to date and worth owning. There is no need to publicly
> flog
> the guy. Some of the comments over the last couple of days are
> bordering
> on libellous.
>     The colour thing may well be true for British home market 80"
> vehicles but they were offered in other colours in other markets and
> were possibly supplied to fleet owners in their choice of colour.
>     It is also worth noting that some of the vehicle numbers quoted
> for
> the change of a particular part (most often the propriety parts from
> outside suppliers like Lucas or Girling etc.) are not definitive.
> Sometimes new parts were late arriving and the stock of superseded
> parts
> reserved as spares stock was raided to keep production going. The
> result
> is that the definitive statement that such and such a part superseded
> this one at a given vehicle number may not be totally correct in
> all cases.
>     Cheers
>     Allan
>     Canberra, Australia
>
>
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