Re: [was: Wherefore the 1.0 release?] What's wrong with CPAN

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From: Rick Measham
Subject: Re: [was: Wherefore the 1.0 release?] What's wrong with CPAN
Date: 00:40 on 19 Jul 2005

> On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 08:55:25AM -0500, Jay Strauss wrote:
>
>>My only knock is its seems like too many files seem to be unmaintained 
>>(un-updated)

I agree. I hate that some namespace-owners don't maintain their code and 
don't accept patches.

Tony Bowden made a valid argument when he said:
> Aside from the earlier comment about a module possible being "complete",
> and not needing anything new done, there are also a lot of people
> releasing code to CPAN just in case other people might find it useful.
> They're certainly not signing up to become an unpaid slave to the entire
> Perl community just by releasing their code.

This is where the two-CPAN thing should be divided. Not according to 
'kwalitee', but by the maintenance commitment.

If I want to keep ownership of my modules, then I put them in one part 
of CPAN that is for active-development-by-owner. I then commit to 
accepting patches which might or might not be applied, but will be 
considered. I hear from my users and might or might not take their 
feedback into consideration. Whatever the case, I commit to maintaining 
my module. If I don't commit new code or respond to a (6 monthly?) 
email, then my modules slip into the second part of CPAN.

In the second part of CPAN, I upload the code and am listed as the 
originating contributor. However I have no commitment to the code. 
Someone who find that something doesn't work can then create and apply a 
patch to the module themselves without involving the originating 
contributor. This side of CPAN would have more stringent rules, for 
things such as versioning (eg 1.2.3: increase the (1) if you change the 
API, the (2) if you fix a bug and (3) if you change the test or 
documentation) and people depending on these modules would be advised to 
depend on a particular version as there's noone to complain to if 
someone else changes something.

There might (though I'm not a fan of it) be a third part of CPAN for 
'This is my module but I just used CPAN as a release tool'. This is the 
autocratic method of software release and where microsoft would release 
their perl modules. Anything released here does not accept test, 
comments, patches, suggestions or anything from the community.

Tony later on:
> I'm done with the code I've written. I'm not wanting to forever be the
> person who maintains Wiki to Wiki conversion tools. So now I'll just
> dispose of the code and it'll die. No-one else will get the benefit from
> it, even just as a starting point for their own code. I just don't have
> the energy to do otherwise.

This is why you'd put it into the 'second half' of my envisioned CPAN.

Cheers!
Rick Measham

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Wherefore the 1.0 release?
Matt S Trout 15:24 on 17 Jul 2005

Re: Wherefore the 1.0 release?
Tony Bowden 15:33 on 17 Jul 2005

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Matt S Trout 15:57 on 17 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 15:57 on 17 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 16:34 on 17 Jul 2005

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Matt S Trout 16:23 on 17 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 16:29 on 17 Jul 2005

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Stephen Quinney 08:43 on 18 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 09:14 on 18 Jul 2005

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Brett Sanger 13:13 on 18 Jul 2005

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merlyn (Randal L. Schwartz) 13:27 on 18 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 16:03 on 18 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 16:41 on 18 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 16:57 on 18 Jul 2005

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Brett Sanger 17:54 on 18 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 18:55 on 18 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 08:10 on 19 Jul 2005

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Casey West 13:40 on 19 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 14:47 on 18 Jul 2005

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Brett Sanger 15:00 on 18 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 17:10 on 18 Jul 2005

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Gordon Haverland 15:59 on 18 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 16:27 on 18 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 16:48 on 18 Jul 2005

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hartzell 20:52 on 18 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 21:05 on 18 Jul 2005

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Aaron Trevena 18:44 on 19 Jul 2005

[was: Wherefore the 1.0 release?] What's wrong with CPAN
Jay Strauss 13:55 on 18 Jul 2005

Re: [was: Wherefore the 1.0 release?] What's wrong with CPAN
Tony Bowden 15:15 on 18 Jul 2005

Re: [was: Wherefore the 1.0 release?] What's wrong with CPAN
Jay Strauss 16:49 on 18 Jul 2005

Re: [was: Wherefore the 1.0 release?] What's wrong with CPAN
Rick Measham 00:40 on 19 Jul 2005

Re: [was: Wherefore the 1.0 release?] What's wrong with CPAN
Aaron Trevena 18:26 on 19 Jul 2005

Re: Wherefore the 1.0 release?
Tony Bowden 10:20 on 18 Jul 2005

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Edward J. Sabol 19:15 on 18 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 19:21 on 18 Jul 2005

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Edward J. Sabol 19:31 on 18 Jul 2005

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Matt S Trout 19:32 on 18 Jul 2005

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Dana Hudes 02:33 on 19 Jul 2005

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Matt S Trout 02:54 on 19 Jul 2005

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Rick Measham 21:27 on 17 Jul 2005

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Andrew O'Brien 00:26 on 19 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 00:34 on 19 Jul 2005

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Simon Wilcox 08:03 on 19 Jul 2005

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Matt S Trout 17:06 on 17 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 17:07 on 17 Jul 2005

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Dana Hudes 17:24 on 17 Jul 2005

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Mike Whitaker 18:18 on 17 Jul 2005

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Sebastian Riedel 18:40 on 17 Jul 2005

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leif.eriksen 03:01 on 18 Jul 2005

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Re: Wherefore the 1.0 release?
Matt S Trout 13:52 on 18 Jul 2005

Re: Wherefore the 1.0 release?
Tony Bowden 14:55 on 18 Jul 2005

Re: Wherefore the 1.0 release?
Michael Peters 14:56 on 18 Jul 2005

Re: Wherefore the 1.0 release?
Tony Bowden 15:16 on 18 Jul 2005

Re: [was: Wherefore the 1.0 release?] What's wrong with CPAN
Simon Wilcox 15:37 on 18 Jul 2005

Re: Wherefore the 1.0 release?
Tony Bowden 18:16 on 18 Jul 2005

Re: Wherefore the 1.0 release?
Tony Bowden 18:36 on 18 Jul 2005

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Mike Whitaker 18:39 on 18 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 18:47 on 18 Jul 2005

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Michael Peters 19:30 on 18 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 19:44 on 18 Jul 2005

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=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ask_Bj=F8rn_Hansen?= 20:32 on 18 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 20:41 on 18 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 18:45 on 18 Jul 2005

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Scott McWhirter 19:19 on 18 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 19:29 on 18 Jul 2005

Re: Wherefore the 1.0 release?
Rick Measham 00:23 on 19 Jul 2005

Re: Wherefore the 1.0 release?
Bryan Allen 19:24 on 18 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 19:24 on 18 Jul 2005

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Matt S Trout 19:38 on 18 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 19:39 on 18 Jul 2005

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hartzell 20:53 on 18 Jul 2005

Re: Wherefore the 1.0 release?
merlyn (Randal L. Schwartz) 21:35 on 18 Jul 2005

Re: Wherefore the 1.0 release?
Tony Bowden 21:50 on 18 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 19:35 on 18 Jul 2005

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Matt S Trout 19:58 on 18 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 19:56 on 18 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 23:01 on 18 Jul 2005

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Peter Speltz 05:54 on 20 Jul 2005

Re: your mail
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