Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"

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From: Matt S Trout
Subject: Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Date: 21:03 on 25 Jul 2005

On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 01:09:23PM -0400, Tyler Rorabaugh wrote:
> Pardon me for stating this but the Root of CPAN having multiple sets
> of modules that do the same thing is the fact that rather than
> refactoring old code we as perl programmers are lazy and tend to just
> write new code. My concern about this discussion is if there is
> something thats going to replace something else then it must be done
> over time.

Precisely - and exactly why a research project about now is a good idea. If
it turns out to be good enough for people to use all the better, if not
we'll learn something. If it ends up in the latter category I shan't stain
CPAN with its presence, and Namespaces Shall Not Be Dirtied :)

> Just curious but why not create a sub class of Class::DBI and overide
> the existing base methods......

We did that. It's called Class::DBI::Sweet. I added arbitrary-hop joins
to the search and released 0.05 while I was prototyping DBIx::Class.

To achieve what I want to achieve with DBIx::Class, I'd have to override
almost all the methods - which means nobody could trust it to be as
stable as Class::DBI, and would force me to stick to the API
fairly religiously, even where I don't like it. There isn't any point. If
anything good turns up in DBIx::Class that people want to use with plain
Class::DBI or ::Sweet I'll happily help with the merging - given pretty
much every application we deploy for clients has Class::DBI in it somewhere
I've plenty to gain from co-operating ...

        -- 
             Matt S Trout           Website: http://www.shadowcatsystems.co.uk
  Technical Director        E-mail:  mst (at) shadowcatsystems.co.uk
Shadowcat Systems Ltd.

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Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 05:26 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 15:32 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 15:40 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 21:54 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 21:59 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 22:44 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:00 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 22:52 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 16:42 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tyler Rorabaugh 17:09 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 17:24 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 18:11 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 18:14 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 21:08 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 21:03 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 21:05 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 20:55 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 21:08 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:03 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 22:11 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Perrin Harkins 21:21 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 21:48 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 20:37 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 22:02 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:12 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 01:15 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 07:53 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 12:37 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 20:47 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Adrian Howard 21:03 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:01 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Perrin Harkins 22:05 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:21 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 23:02 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 22:35 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 17:15 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 18:05 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:54 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 15:14 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Perrin Harkins 15:16 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 18:31 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 19:08 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 18:36 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 22:23 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:53 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 23:55 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 00:26 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Brad Bowman 00:49 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Perrin Harkins 01:31 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sam Vilain 04:21 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
William Ross 09:44 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 16:59 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Perrin Harkins 17:07 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 17:47 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 18:15 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 18:58 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Perrin Harkins 19:25 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:20 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 22:39 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 23:13 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 23:14 on 26 Jul 2005

Delegation vs Hooks (was: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out")
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ask_Bj=F8rn_Hansen?= 23:27 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Delegation vs Hooks (was: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out")
John Siracusa 00:39 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Delegation vs Hooks (was: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out")
Matt S Trout 00:54 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 23:57 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 23:15 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 02:07 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 03:32 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 03:34 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 13:44 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 16:57 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Christopher Hicks 18:04 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 19:38 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 20:50 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 22:00 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 22:32 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 22:39 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 22:49 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:03 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 22:35 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 02:08 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 23:10 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 07:27 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 06:48 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Perrin Harkins 14:56 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 19:08 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Aaron Trevena 08:57 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Cees Hek 23:29 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 00:02 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 01:41 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Delegation vs Hooks (was: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out")
Matt S Trout 00:07 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Adrian Howard 14:41 on 27 Jul 2005