Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"

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From: John Siracusa
Subject: Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Date: 02:08 on 27 Jul 2005

On 7/26/05 6:35 PM, Sebastian Riedel wrote:
> Am 27.07.2005 um 00:03 schrieb Michael G Schwern:
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 10:50:13PM +0200, Sebastian Riedel wrote:
>>>> Gah!  An @ISA copying and patching module?
>>>> 
>>>> You're already into scary hacks and things have barely started.
>>> 
>>> I think the only reason people are so scared about multiple
>>> inheritance is the fact that so few languages support it, if there
>>> were more common design patterns it would be all fine... :)
>> 
>> Given that I'm a native Perl programmer, have been using MI for as  long as
>> I've been using OO, have done scary @ISA hacks in the past and  have the
>> scorch marks to prove it, I have to call bullshit on the above.
> 
> I read that as "i am god, just trust me, i don't need no fsckin
> examples..."

The commonly accepted wisdom within the CS/language community is that MI is
rarely the best solution for a given problem.  Common wisdom is sometimes
wrong, of course, but I don't think anyone disagrees that the anti-MI
sentiment is the consensus today.

Given this environment, when MI is put forth as the best solution for a
particular problem, it's understandable that contemporaries will try to
dissuade the MI proponent.  In reality, one of a few things might be
happening.

It could be that, even according to conventional wisdom, this is one of the
rare cases where MI really is the best approach.

It could be that the MI proponent has discovered something that is not taken
into account by the conventional wisdom.

It could be that the environment has changed since the conventional wisdom
was arrived at, and that the new environment alters the merits of the
approach.

It could be that the MI proponent is going through a personal version of
what the community went through in order to arrive at its current concensus:
enthusiasm for MI, successful implementations, stability and maturity,
growing pains, and eventual roadblocks that cause a reassessment of the
approach.

Obviously each participant in this thread has a different opinion of which
possibility listed above is closest to the reality.  But regardless of the
truth of the matter, I think it'd benefit everyone to at least entertain the
alternate possibilities (however briefly :)

-John

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Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 05:26 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 15:32 on 25 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 15:40 on 25 Jul 2005

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Michael G Schwern 21:54 on 25 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 21:59 on 25 Jul 2005

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Matt S Trout 22:44 on 25 Jul 2005

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Michael G Schwern 22:00 on 25 Jul 2005

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Matt S Trout 22:52 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 16:42 on 25 Jul 2005

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Tyler Rorabaugh 17:09 on 25 Jul 2005

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Sebastian Riedel 17:24 on 25 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 18:11 on 25 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 18:14 on 25 Jul 2005

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Matt S Trout 21:08 on 25 Jul 2005

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Matt S Trout 21:03 on 25 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 21:05 on 25 Jul 2005

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Matt S Trout 20:55 on 25 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 21:08 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:03 on 25 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 22:11 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Perrin Harkins 21:21 on 25 Jul 2005

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Matt S Trout 21:48 on 25 Jul 2005

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Matt S Trout 20:37 on 25 Jul 2005

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John Siracusa 22:02 on 25 Jul 2005

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Michael G Schwern 22:12 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 01:15 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 07:53 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 12:37 on 26 Jul 2005

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Sebastian Riedel 20:47 on 26 Jul 2005

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Adrian Howard 21:03 on 26 Jul 2005

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Michael G Schwern 22:01 on 26 Jul 2005

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Perrin Harkins 22:05 on 26 Jul 2005

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Michael G Schwern 22:21 on 26 Jul 2005

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Matt S Trout 23:02 on 26 Jul 2005

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Sebastian Riedel 22:35 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 17:15 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 18:05 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:54 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 15:14 on 26 Jul 2005

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Perrin Harkins 15:16 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 18:31 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 19:08 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 18:36 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 22:23 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:53 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 23:55 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 00:26 on 26 Jul 2005

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Brad Bowman 00:49 on 26 Jul 2005

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Perrin Harkins 01:31 on 26 Jul 2005

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Sam Vilain 04:21 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
William Ross 09:44 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 16:59 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Perrin Harkins 17:07 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 17:47 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 18:15 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 18:58 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Perrin Harkins 19:25 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:20 on 26 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 22:39 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 23:13 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 23:14 on 26 Jul 2005

Delegation vs Hooks (was: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out")
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ask_Bj=F8rn_Hansen?= 23:27 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Delegation vs Hooks (was: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out")
John Siracusa 00:39 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Delegation vs Hooks (was: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out")
Matt S Trout 00:54 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 23:57 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 23:15 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 02:07 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 03:32 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 03:34 on 27 Jul 2005

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Matt S Trout 13:44 on 27 Jul 2005

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Michael G Schwern 16:57 on 27 Jul 2005

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Christopher Hicks 18:04 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 19:38 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 20:50 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 22:00 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 22:32 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 22:39 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 22:49 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:03 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 22:35 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 02:08 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 23:10 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 07:27 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 06:48 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Perrin Harkins 14:56 on 26 Jul 2005

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Tony Bowden 19:08 on 26 Jul 2005

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Aaron Trevena 08:57 on 27 Jul 2005

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Cees Hek 23:29 on 26 Jul 2005

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Matt S Trout 00:02 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 01:41 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Delegation vs Hooks (was: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out")
Matt S Trout 00:07 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Adrian Howard 14:41 on 27 Jul 2005