Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"

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From: Matt S Trout
Subject: Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Date: 13:44 on 27 Jul 2005

On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 11:34:18PM -0400, John Siracusa wrote:
> On 7/26/05 11:32 PM, Matt S Trout wrote:
> > Adding even a simple public delegation interface at this point would be
> > a waste of time. Releasing DBIx::Class to CPAN without any such interface
> > would probably be a really bad idea. So sometime between now and then, I'll
> > get round to writing one.
> 
> As someone else already pointed out, implementing even the "default"
> functionality via delegation is a great way to ensure that the delegation
> interface is useful and has the appropriate granularity.  You become the
> first "user" of the API.

You're assuming here I've decided what the "default" functionality is yet. Or
even that there's going to be such a thing :)

Currently you can have an extremely minimal implementation - if you don't
need object based update or retrieve then you don't even need to load primary
key support and search and retrieve_from_sql will both still happily work.

I'm currently dogfooding the extension API via MI; once I get a handle on
how that works I'll delegate the well-defined stuff and dogfood via that
API. Right now I'm refactoring too fast for there to be well-defined stuff
for more than about 3 hours at a time, at which point it changes again.

Look, people.

I know delegation is a good thing for well-defined plugins.

I know MI is unnecessarily hairy if you only want to extend something simple.

But in the early stages of dev, I always refactor constantly and heavily, and
often throw away whole chunks of code and API because it's much better to do
that *now* than after a release.

So I'm not implementing a delegation interface quite yet.

If anybody thinks there should be one already, provide me a patch and I'll
happily merge it. But you'll be responsible for maintaining it when I
rewrite half the core in a day or a week.

The End. :)

        -- 
             Matt S Trout           Website: http://www.shadowcatsystems.co.uk
  Technical Director        E-mail:  mst (at) shadowcatsystems.co.uk
Shadowcat Systems Ltd.

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Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 05:26 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 15:32 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 15:40 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 21:54 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 21:59 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 22:44 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:00 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 22:52 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 16:42 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tyler Rorabaugh 17:09 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 17:24 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 18:11 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 18:14 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 21:08 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 21:03 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 21:05 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 20:55 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 21:08 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:03 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 22:11 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Perrin Harkins 21:21 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 21:48 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 20:37 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 22:02 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:12 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 01:15 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 07:53 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 12:37 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 20:47 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Adrian Howard 21:03 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:01 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Perrin Harkins 22:05 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:21 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 23:02 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 22:35 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 17:15 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 18:05 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:54 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 15:14 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Perrin Harkins 15:16 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 18:31 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 19:08 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 18:36 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 22:23 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:53 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 23:55 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 00:26 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Brad Bowman 00:49 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Perrin Harkins 01:31 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sam Vilain 04:21 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
William Ross 09:44 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 16:59 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Perrin Harkins 17:07 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 17:47 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 18:15 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 18:58 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Perrin Harkins 19:25 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:20 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 22:39 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 23:13 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 23:14 on 26 Jul 2005

Delegation vs Hooks (was: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out")
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ask_Bj=F8rn_Hansen?= 23:27 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Delegation vs Hooks (was: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out")
John Siracusa 00:39 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Delegation vs Hooks (was: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out")
Matt S Trout 00:54 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 23:57 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 23:15 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 02:07 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 03:32 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 03:34 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 13:44 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 16:57 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Christopher Hicks 18:04 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 19:38 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 20:50 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 22:00 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 22:32 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 22:39 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 22:49 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 22:03 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 22:35 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
John Siracusa 02:08 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 23:10 on 25 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 07:27 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Michael G Schwern 06:48 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Perrin Harkins 14:56 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Tony Bowden 19:08 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Aaron Trevena 08:57 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Cees Hek 23:29 on 26 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Matt S Trout 00:02 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Sebastian Riedel 01:41 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Delegation vs Hooks (was: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out")
Matt S Trout 00:07 on 27 Jul 2005

Re: Annouce: DBIx::Class, a.k.a "taking the easy way out"
Adrian Howard 14:41 on 27 Jul 2005